Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Elana Brooklyn's avatar

I hate “women and femmes” because people THINK that includes me and they intend it to include me, but it doesn’t. I’m read as a woman, I don’t want to be. I am not femme. If I’m in a lesbian setting I’m hopefully read as butch. I’m genderqueer. I just get assumed to be a woman because of my body shape. And in what reality do people think non-binary butch AFAB people want to be called a woman or a femme?!

I’m old enough to remember when femme was a type of queer woman. Specifically. And not…. Honestly I don’t know what these people mean now. Do they mean effeminate queer men are ok? I don’t even know. But I look like a woman, despite my efforts so I guess they mean me.

I don’t like it.

Now I have never sought gender segregated spaces ever really. Which probably should have been an early sign of… something. But I do understand why other people may not want cis men in certain contexts.

Your piece offers some practical solutions and ways of thinking. Most pieces I’ve seen addressing these questions are only what not to do, not what TO do and it doesn’t really help organizers when that’s all that is offered.

Anyway

Thanks.

Expand full comment
Orlando Silver's avatar

I loved this read. I’m a trans masc sw and I was recently hired to work a large party like this - it was called a ‘sapphic’ party for femmes and women. Over time the messaging was more convoluted and started including “trans men” into the advertising but you know when you have feeling like… “hmmmmm I don’t think they mean me when they say that😆”

Anyway discussing my concerns with the organiser she actually had to admit that she had “read me as more of a butch dyke” which felt wild. Just… wild.

I didn’t work the event.

I want to add another weirdness I see lately which is from a ‘spiritual’ lens - events that say “anyone with a yoni” or similar nonsense. Good lord 😆

Expand full comment
11 more comments...

No posts